I do not beleive that global warming is man made

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David Bellamy comment Some more for you.

Your statements and thoughts provoke much that I have thought about. I find that I am responding to only parts of your writs. I think I could spend hours just answering back and my appologies for not answering all.

Be blessed.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David Bellamy comment Hi again,

"I see massive amounts of energy in the sun." So do I! That is why I have solar panels fitted to my house. We make enough electricity to cover all our electrical bills worth about £350- ($554) per year AND get a cheque from the electricity company for surplus production to the grid! This additional income amounts to just over £100 ($158) - not much, but with zero electricity bills it all adds up. I also have a wood-burning stove with a back-boiler that heats the hot water we need.

"For our part we have way over consumed"

Yes, we have. As you are probably aware, I am one of those people who have been convinced both by the science and by circumstance that climate change is a real threat. Admittedly it is a long-term threat (unlikely to affect us much in our lifetimes) and the fearmongering about it has been stupid, but it is a threat to the well-being of my children. What really convinced me about the severity of climate change is that for three years running we had horrific floods here. I was caught up in one of them and I've never been so terrified in my life. I can tell you the full story on another occasion if you like. As a consequence of the flooding several people in this area lost everything and are even now living in mobile homes while their houses are rebuilt. Some properties are vacant because the insurance companies will no longer insure them. Insurers are raising all premiums because claims for flooding have tripled since 1980.

I agree with you that technology to help produce cleaner energy will help, but I also believe that reducing our consumption and learning to live happily with less will help. I'd be interested in your take on this too.

God bless,

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: David Bellamy comment Consumtion is going to take me some time to think about. That is a moral phycological item and one of those that it takes much to change man on.

Maybe that is the whole issue right there.

I saw a statistic a couple of months ago about how the storage industry has blossomed today In the US. We have so much right now that, that it would be a looters paradise in a war.

It is a phenom.... We are truly the land of plenty. We do have plenty and If I could send you pictures of my own families plenty. It is incredible. I have plenty. I have so much material possesions I do not know what to do with it all. I feel like an ass overloaded by the merchant with a whip cracking my butt for not getting more. I in fact have family members looking down on me for not.

Yeah we got some problems with that here.
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Date: Dec 10, 2010

Message: Hello again Erksron,

"I want to answer as to where I am from. I am from the US. I am part native American"

What a noble heritage. And fascinating that you have a mixed-race background because you will have a unique perspective on American History and politics too (which is probably why I enjoy your messages so much). I am not very familiar enough with the history of American Indians and the early settlers to speak with any authority - all we are taught is that land was pretty much stolen from your predecessors in order to be colonised. I remember one quote which is either a Cree prophesy or a from Chief Seattle "When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money". Irrespective of where it comes from, this is a pretty wise quote. The only other connection I have with native Americans is to support the Beaver Lake Cree in their campaign against Tar-Sands exploitation.

My background is far less interesting than yours. I have lived in the industrial Midlands of England most of my life, studied for a degree in Sheffield and California (a very odd mix - Sheffield is a cold northern manufacturing town). I work both as a food and farming consultant and as the manager of a small local charity. My passion is nature, my family and my community.

As you probably know, England is a secular society (less than 5% of the population regularly attend a place of worship). I was raised as a Methodist, have spent most of my adult years as an atheist, but recently have started attending Quaker meetings. As I've commented above, my passion is nature - its breathtaking complexity and detail is a constant inspiration to me.

England has a scientific cultural tradition which ranges from Newton, Joule and Babbage to Darwin and Hawking. I am fascinated by science and don't agree with people who say that science is 'about unravelling the rainbow' - in other words destroying the mystery or spirituality of what it observes. The more we observe, the closer we get to the truth. For me, spirituality is very closely tied to awe - perhaps another way of appreciating the glory of nature - or creation.

Well that's a little about me. Again, I will reply to your previous email - perhaps with more questions, but probably with much agreement!

God bless,

-fatlady


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Hello there,

I cannot believe that global warming is man caused. Never the less for even a different pair of reasons I still fundamentally believe that solar powered is the way to go. Reason one; to put more control over ones own individual life. Reason two; powering everything by the sun actually uses energy that would have heated the earth and as such man can more control the weather.

I do believe that Bellamy is correct in his assessment of sun cycles affecting the temperature of the earth. I also don't think that the masses are told everything that is known about other macro cycles; such as the earths orbit is like a child's top. It does not orbit the sun perfectly and it's rotation is also like a spinning top. I have no proof of this but and I must say that if I am right then on a macro scale when all of those things are at a point the earths atmosphere is heated and vise versus... The earths core is also an issue that is cyclic. The molten portions throb and circulate in a rhythm we have not calculated yet, and when they do they cause the ocean temperatures to rise...especially in the South Pacific around the ring of fire. There are thousands upon thousands of undersea vents ebbing and flowing that man has not also monitored. We know about them but have not really studied them in great detail.

I do believe that individuals should more than ever have the right to self determine. In other words a persons life is between them and God.

For the most part I am truly a right of center person. But the mistake people make; lumping me and about 195 million other people in the US with is the obviously whacko ultra right. I do believe in the Social Security retirement system, and I do believe that as Reagen put it; a safety net to catch people who are fallen. I don't believe it should be a trap, which is what it used to be here. Kind of once you got in it made no economic sense to get out. So here we have made it a system where you could go to school, or even take entry level jobs until you could build up enough income to be on your own. The rest becomes workfare.

I also believe that should be about it.

I am a believer that when God told Adam and eve go forth and multiply and subdue the earth he really meant it. To subdue it is to make it work for us; not
de-freaking-stroy it. Sorry. Just apart of the blue language I like to use for expletive. And exporting our dirty industries to another country is also not right either. In fact the braniac's(dwellers of the mind) that did that are completely amoral.

I know this is all a grandiose dream on my part but I really believe that man can achieve this. I also think we can do it and retain the sovereignty of each and every nation on earth. I think that every culture and nation on earth has some very interesting and unique and desirable things but the best place for those thing is really in their home land. In that sense I believe that conservatism suits me.

In the truest sense of the word conservation at least in the cultural attitude of each nation and peoples core or base traditions; whether it is as simple as tea and crumpets for the English, or mom and apple pie in the US. I have had the opportunity to travel the world a bit, and have found that there are constants amongst all men and a uniqueness in each nation.

I toot my own horn in the very next thing I say. I am poor today economically; but so rich in having been around. I do believe that if I immigrated to another country though; I should become one with whatever nation I moved to and leave my old life behind.

I certainly have digressed far from the environmental issue yet I see it as only a part of the box of dominoes and surely related to the troubles of man. It saddens me to think it boils down to another military conflagration.

I have not even tapped the fountain of my whole thought with this yet I have noticed that I tend to write as if I shall die tomorrow.

Most of the time I think it too much but In Ecclesiastes it is written to do everything with all my might. So I have.

Be blessed.

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Date: Dec 10, 2010

Message: Hello again my friend.

"I am a believer that when God told Adam and Eve go forth and multiply and subdue the earth he really meant it. To subdue it is to make it work for us; not de-freaking-stroy it."

Absolutely. We are care-takers

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till and keep it," Genesis 2:15.

The Hebrew words shamar and abad, usually translated as "till and keep" in this verse, could be just as accurately translated as "serve and preserve." The word shamar is also used in Numbers 6:24: "The Lord bless you and keep you." God desires that we treat the creation in the same way that God treats us.

"You [God] made humans ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under our feet: All flocks and herds, and the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas," Psalms 8:6-8. We are stewards of God's earth, ruling over that which is not ours.

And please do not apologise for the "blue" language. It just emphasises to me that you are passionate about what you say!

I genuinely don't want humans to be the cause of recent warming any more than you do. But we are. We are being poor stewards of the earth. I have spoken with some Christians and scientists who believe that climate change is God's judgement on us for our wanton destruction of the ecosystem. But I don't believe that. I believe that we were given (or evolved) intelligence and science in order to monitor our effect on the world and manage ourselves better - and I believe we can.

Bellamy is a lovely old guy - I was a fan of his (he reminds me of Santa Claus) but he is not qualified to comment on climate - his specialisation is botany. In the UK, he is known a self-publicist and has lost jobs at the BBC twice because of his maverick views. He is good at stating opinion, but not at providing scientific evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeqQ1eYiQU

We need not disagree about any of this because I think you and I agree on what needs to be done - investment in clean technology, breaking free of the addiction we have to fossil fuels and consuming less. There will come a time when we are going to have to manage without oil, so we may as well be ahead of the game when it comes to finding alternatives.

I'd like to hear more about your American Indian heritage - if it is something you'd be happy to talk about.

God bless,

-fatlady
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Hearty Greetings,

My Heritage....... I am not so steeped in my past that I know much, but I do know that I am legally 3/32 native, Creek and Cherokee. Likely out of South Carolina. I have only rumors now that my Grandma has passed and she was not so willing to talk about it. My mother also.

My great, great grandmother was the main carrier of the bloodlines. I have only seen one picture of her and know little of her; but natives were allowed to vote if they were a quarter or less Native American. Many lied about their blood portion, and my great great grandmother was one of them. Rumor has it that she stated she was a quarter; but family lore has it that she was more than half. I believe that she was mostly full blood as even today especially amongst my sisters the appearance is most pronounced. And my mother; there is no mistaking it. I on the other hand inherited blond hair and blue eyes. My skin though has a red tint... I am truly a red man. My cheek bones and the shape of my face are the only noticeable traits.

I think my mother still may have some resentment but I have none. I am happy and have not registered with the tribe, but my mom has and my sister Sonja has. Both have taken advantage of the medical benefits due. I have cousins that are truly native.

The reason we are still eligible is because of the old attitude that there is no truly partial Indian, And the only good Indian is a dead Indian. The first president of the five civilized tribe was a Blond haired blue eyed man....It does make me wonder about that, as I am part Cherokee. Native American tribes had a history of inculcating new people into their tribes and that was allowed to continue...My mother is on the roll and my grandmother is on the roll.

I have also inherited the outstanding senses of the Native Americans. I hear higher and lower tones. I see deeper into the UV and infrared spectrum than you could imagine. I can tell by the feel of a metal what it is. My eyes when I was young were like an eagles and I could focus on an object miles away.

My temperament still is towards nature.

On my Caucasian side I find I have this story from my mother: It is the opposite end of the spectrum of give and take. I will copy the text I have written in my web site to this.

My great ancestor Brown who was living in Kentucky around 1850 with his mother, father and two sisters had gone hunting one day.

He returned home to find that Indians had attacked his family and were in the process of torturing them to death. Being outnumbered and unable to do anything, he could only sit and watch from cover until the Indians had finished there gruesome task and left, to which he then buried his family and according to my mother turned his face west and started walking and didn't stop until he reached the Western border of Missouri, He married, settled down and had children the details being sketchy at this point suffice it to say a son was born.

The civil war ensued and because my ancestor lived in the South of Missouri yet I still can not say whether he fought for the south or were slave owners or not, never the less another generation was born and another, then Grandaddy Brown was born; and while a little child, moved with his family to the little town of Bristol in the Oklahoma Territory, In 1904 My Grandmother was born and raised in a little one room shack with a dirt floor. She married My Grandfather Brown and they moved to Vian, Oklahoma where, my Grandma was born. Grandma must have been a beautiful little girl because she remains to me this day a beautiful old woman of 89(I think). She married a man named Wheeler but shortly after divorced, My Grandma Retta; right after married William Cody Bennett. and shortly after my mother was born in a tent overlooking the Arkansas river. My Mother was immediatly sten away to my great Grandmothers to be raised but my Grandma visited her often..... My mother syas her mom was like an aunt to her....When my mom was three My Grandma reclaimed my mom....
My mom still is in shock over this, still resentful.. She was removed from her home.

You can see now where I get the great big giant 'HUH' when I think about all this. Convention and cover up has led me to contemplate who the hell is my grandpa. I hate lies. I hate them with a passion people have a hard time understanding.

My Uncle Bill built a nice house made of stone near that spot, and our family grave yard is there on a hill top; where I plan on being buried, as well.

My family's political background was by all means Democrat. But by the time Ronald Reagen left office they became Republican. We are all or nearly 100% Republican and Christian conservative... I am as well. It may actually be my doing as I have been a life long Repubican. Maybe it is because it was a Democrat, Martin Van Buren
that decided to take the natives land away from them. You know the Democrats got a lot of wrong on them. They fought the political battle to keep slavery before the civil war too.

I heard an other rumor from my Grandma that one little boy our ancestor was all that was left of his family after having walked the trail of tears.

This is all a little sketchy.

I think that convention must have gotten a hold of the family because I think the reason so many details are not known is that they were afraid to tell anybody anything way back then.. Either because they were indian, or slave owner, or outlaws, or sympathizers to the south. Something like that happened.

That is all I know.

We are a family of warriors and to my knowledge have had all or most of the men been at arms and in every war fought since the civil war and likely on the native side fought in the revolutionary war.

My grandma Bennett is survived by 81 of us of which I am the oldest grandchild.

Sometimes I wish I new more and I think I will go and interveiw the family now.

Be blessed.